1 00:00:29,410 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:31,270 well as you can hear we sure aren't here 3 00:00:35,650 --> 00:00:34,220 for the music yes we are may not what 4 00:00:38,290 --> 00:00:35,660 are you talking about hello and welcome 5 00:00:39,430 --> 00:00:38,300 to the club here may not now this isn't 6 00:00:41,260 --> 00:00:39,440 the club at the end of the street will 7 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:41,270 use do think tank this is another club 8 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:44,570 but you're here I'm here Joe alabasta 9 00:00:49,570 --> 00:00:47,330 hello John hello we're all here tonight 10 00:00:52,150 --> 00:00:49,580 to hear dr. Brad Mackay this is the 11 00:00:53,590 --> 00:00:52,160 skeptics dinner meeting here in Sydney I 12 00:00:54,939 --> 00:00:53,600 tell what it's been a big weekend for me 13 00:00:57,009 --> 00:00:54,949 like last night was the Hellfire Club 14 00:00:59,170 --> 00:00:57,019 and tonight it's the Australian skeptics 15 00:01:01,420 --> 00:00:59,180 dinner what a range of experiencing in 16 00:01:04,750 --> 00:01:01,430 one weekend you're a man of mystery man 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:04,760 you really now coming up on this week's 18 00:01:08,170 --> 00:01:05,810 show we're going to be talking to 19 00:01:11,710 --> 00:01:08,180 punters Berkman from the Swedish 20 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:11,720 skeptics may not Sweden ah my favorite 21 00:01:20,140 --> 00:01:16,420 the Polish name is Jana spro hanska 22 00:01:21,820 --> 00:01:20,150 Touche well in fact I'd like dedicate 23 00:01:23,230 --> 00:01:21,830 this show to Jana spre hanska look him 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:23,240 up on Wikipedia but what are you going 25 00:01:26,649 --> 00:01:25,130 to talk about with the Swedish hip ting 26 00:01:28,030 --> 00:01:26,659 well what they're doing in Sweden about 27 00:01:30,010 --> 00:01:28,040 skepticism getting the word out and 28 00:01:31,990 --> 00:01:30,020 sweetie skeptics in the pub which sounds 29 00:01:34,660 --> 00:01:32,000 like a lot of fun we also have a week in 30 00:01:37,420 --> 00:01:34,670 science of course from our IRS and are 31 00:01:38,999 --> 00:01:37,430 the raw skeptic report highly robertson 32 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:39,009 is going to be looking at claims 33 00:01:44,859 --> 00:01:43,729 revolving around asthma and woo claims 34 00:01:47,410 --> 00:01:44,869 and things like that mean so these 35 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:47,420 claims to cure asthma or what is it yeah 36 00:01:51,310 --> 00:01:48,710 well there are a lot of claims out there 37 00:01:53,169 --> 00:01:51,320 woo alternative medicine claims that say 38 00:01:55,510 --> 00:01:53,179 they can treat asthma you can treat 39 00:01:57,580 --> 00:01:55,520 asthma this can with this device or this 40 00:01:59,770 --> 00:01:57,590 remedy and heidi's going to have a close 41 00:02:00,969 --> 00:01:59,780 look at these some of these claims but 42 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:00,979 your raw milk will come into it 43 00:02:05,830 --> 00:02:02,090 somewhere 44 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:05,840 I wonder if well I mean we had the prize 45 00:02:09,550 --> 00:02:07,609 her out of her raw milk bath but there 46 00:02:11,110 --> 00:02:09,560 you go look we have Joe here cuz you got 47 00:02:14,259 --> 00:02:11,120 something coming up on next week's show 48 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:14,269 I do indeed i'm going to be talking once 49 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:16,400 again about world homeopathy Awareness 50 00:02:20,259 --> 00:02:18,410 Week which actually marks a year that 51 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:20,269 I've been talking on the sign now doing 52 00:02:23,740 --> 00:02:21,890 reports because it was my first report a 53 00:02:26,619 --> 00:02:23,750 year ago so have you had much pushback 54 00:02:29,140 --> 00:02:26,629 from homeopaths about it you know not 55 00:02:31,630 --> 00:02:29,150 very much to be honest I've had one 56 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:31,640 comment I've got a homeopath who does 57 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:34,130 comment on my blog and also speaks to me 58 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:36,110 on Twitter but her arguments aren't 59 00:02:41,890 --> 00:02:40,010 really very solid I wouldn't say just 60 00:02:43,839 --> 00:02:41,900 just like homeopathy itself we might say 61 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:43,849 and what a solid arguments we got on the 62 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:46,010 show this week it's about it may not 63 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:49,220 that's about as solid as it gets but I 64 00:02:53,140 --> 00:02:51,769 tell you what we're in outside the room 65 00:02:55,630 --> 00:02:53,150 at the moment there's a big dinner going 66 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:55,640 on in just about to call for dessert so 67 00:02:59,530 --> 00:02:57,890 while we three run into that room and 68 00:03:02,860 --> 00:02:59,540 have our dessert listen to the talk I 69 00:03:05,559 --> 00:03:02,870 hope our listeners enjoy the skeptic 70 00:03:32,430 --> 00:03:05,569 zone I want to go downstairs see if I 71 00:03:37,660 --> 00:03:35,680 and joining me now all the way from 72 00:03:40,180 --> 00:03:37,670 Sweden now have spoken to people from my 73 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:40,190 no way before their Norwegian skeptics 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:41,690 are very well known to listen to the 75 00:03:46,210 --> 00:03:43,810 skeptic turn now we're just going to 76 00:03:47,580 --> 00:03:46,220 shift our focus a little bit in that 77 00:03:51,250 --> 00:03:47,590 area in the world we're going to visit 78 00:03:54,670 --> 00:03:51,260 Sweden and the city of Malmo in Sweden 79 00:03:56,740 --> 00:03:54,680 and I'm speaking to member of the board 80 00:03:59,950 --> 00:03:56,750 member of the Swedish skeptics society 81 00:04:02,260 --> 00:03:59,960 pontus Berkman hello punters hello 82 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:02,270 Richard how are you I'm really well and 83 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:04,370 it's so nice to chat with you and thank 84 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:06,110 you so much for dropping the aligner 85 00:04:11,140 --> 00:04:09,590 just this last week in fact you 86 00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:11,150 contacted me because you're very 87 00:04:15,790 --> 00:04:13,760 interested in the the vaccination 88 00:04:18,340 --> 00:04:15,800 Chronicles and I've sent you off a copy 89 00:04:20,140 --> 00:04:18,350 of that on DVD and I thought well what a 90 00:04:22,570 --> 00:04:20,150 great opportunity to chat to somebody 91 00:04:25,690 --> 00:04:22,580 from the Swedish skeptics oh thank you 92 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:25,700 for making contact no problem it's 93 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:27,470 really nice to speak with you what can 94 00:04:33,190 --> 00:04:29,900 you tell me about the Swedish skeptics 95 00:04:35,110 --> 00:04:33,200 in general the organization well yeah 96 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:35,120 well the skeptics movement is pretty 97 00:04:39,159 --> 00:04:36,770 well established in Sweden i would say 98 00:04:42,210 --> 00:04:39,169 the the skeptic the swedish skeptics 99 00:04:45,790 --> 00:04:42,220 association was founded in in 1982 and 100 00:04:48,130 --> 00:04:45,800 we have gradually grown to have close to 101 00:04:50,650 --> 00:04:48,140 3,000 members by now so we're pretty 102 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:50,660 proud of that that's pretty good 103 00:04:55,540 --> 00:04:53,810 threaten three are you concentrate 104 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:55,550 mostly on Sweden or do you have people 105 00:05:00,909 --> 00:04:57,410 from around the world sort of interested 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:00,919 in what you're doing well we we focus on 107 00:05:06,159 --> 00:05:03,530 Sweden and well that gives us plenty to 108 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:06,169 do actually but we do try also to to 109 00:05:12,610 --> 00:05:08,830 keep in touch with the international 110 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:12,620 other organizations I i use i actually 111 00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:15,050 since mama was pretty close to denmark 112 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:17,960 out I quite often go over to Copenhagen 113 00:05:24,190 --> 00:05:20,090 and talk to the my Danish colleagues 114 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:24,200 over there and I have be I went to QED 115 00:05:29,710 --> 00:05:27,290 and Manchester last year I know that you 116 00:05:32,590 --> 00:05:29,720 you've been there yourself Richard yes 117 00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:32,600 and I'm yeah I'm going again this year 118 00:05:38,710 --> 00:05:36,110 so I have that I'm yeah you know I know 119 00:05:41,140 --> 00:05:38,720 Michael Marshall a bit and and it's nice 120 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:41,150 to keep in touch with 121 00:05:45,379 --> 00:05:43,620 other skeptics I don't I don't think 122 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:45,389 this the movement actually need any 123 00:05:50,540 --> 00:05:48,090 national borders I think you're 124 00:05:53,330 --> 00:05:50,550 absolutely right in QED of course which 125 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:53,340 I have as you mentioned I've been to QD 126 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:54,810 a couple of times when what a thrill 127 00:05:59,689 --> 00:05:57,360 that was it is really one of them the 128 00:06:03,020 --> 00:05:59,699 better are skeptical conventions 129 00:06:05,540 --> 00:06:03,030 anywhere in the world and and i'm very 130 00:06:08,149 --> 00:06:05,550 jealous of anybody who goes to QED and 131 00:06:10,219 --> 00:06:08,159 looking at a map i'm just looking at my 132 00:06:13,249 --> 00:06:10,229 map now where you are exactly in malna 133 00:06:15,290 --> 00:06:13,259 which is just across a very large bridge 134 00:06:18,110 --> 00:06:15,300 to copenhagen so you're a very 135 00:06:20,050 --> 00:06:18,120 international man I think yeah well it's 136 00:06:22,969 --> 00:06:20,060 easy actually they make it easy for us 137 00:06:24,619 --> 00:06:22,979 there's really two so that's great i'm 138 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:24,629 glad the swedish skeptics have been 139 00:06:28,850 --> 00:06:27,120 around for a while now i was just 140 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:28,860 looking to at your website and i think 141 00:06:36,189 --> 00:06:30,330 that's very interesting that for our 142 00:06:40,990 --> 00:06:36,199 international is that website is WWF SE 143 00:06:45,409 --> 00:06:41,000 SE for sweden what does v 0 F stand for 144 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:45,419 yeah that that's an abbreviation of vet 145 00:06:50,930 --> 00:06:48,690 and scope oak Foulke building which may 146 00:06:53,689 --> 00:06:50,940 be hard to pronounce in other languages 147 00:06:57,769 --> 00:06:53,699 but it means roughly science and popular 148 00:07:00,619 --> 00:06:57,779 education so in 1982 when it was founded 149 00:07:04,249 --> 00:07:00,629 I don't think that the skeptics that the 150 00:07:07,459 --> 00:07:04,259 word skeptic was as such had such 151 00:07:09,369 --> 00:07:07,469 popularity as it has now so maybe today 152 00:07:12,409 --> 00:07:09,379 we would call it something else but 153 00:07:15,140 --> 00:07:12,419 science and popular of Education that's 154 00:07:23,420 --> 00:07:15,150 fine ma'am I can completely understand 155 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:23,430 that WWV offa or waffle yeah we might we 156 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:25,710 might call that means you it reach yeah 157 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:29,370 we do sometimes make that joke yet oh I 158 00:07:32,570 --> 00:07:31,289 thought it was the first one and tell me 159 00:07:35,209 --> 00:07:32,580 what are the some of the activities that 160 00:07:37,579 --> 00:07:35,219 the organization gets up to in Sweden 161 00:07:39,950 --> 00:07:37,589 the the thing that we are mostly 162 00:07:42,649 --> 00:07:39,960 recognized for is that we give out two 163 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:42,659 prizes every year one is the enlightener 164 00:07:48,379 --> 00:07:45,210 of the year where we give a price and 165 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:48,389 actually some money to to somebody or 166 00:07:52,089 --> 00:07:50,370 some organization that has done 167 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:52,099 something very good in spreading 168 00:07:57,290 --> 00:07:54,210 critical thinking thing 169 00:08:00,559 --> 00:07:57,300 king or or debunking some pseudoscience 170 00:08:02,900 --> 00:08:00,569 and then we also give out our version of 171 00:08:06,050 --> 00:08:02,910 the bent spoon waterhouse you would 172 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:06,060 point yeah yeah not as popular to 173 00:08:12,469 --> 00:08:09,330 receive but it gets quite some press 174 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:12,479 here but that's good that I mean we've 175 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:14,370 been handing out in Australia the bent 176 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:17,400 spoon award for over 30 years and James 177 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:21,330 Randi has his Pegasus award I'm glad out 178 00:08:24,620 --> 00:08:22,740 of the organization's do this I think 179 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:24,630 it's a good it's a really good idea yes 180 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:26,970 it does get some press what do you know 181 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:29,130 some of the examples of some of the 182 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:32,010 people who've won this prize yeah last 183 00:08:38,930 --> 00:08:35,490 year we gave actually the so called spin 184 00:08:41,930 --> 00:08:38,940 bent spoon war to TV for which is one of 185 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:41,940 the big national networks we have here 186 00:08:47,930 --> 00:08:45,330 because they have they actually they 187 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:47,940 have earned it again since then but but 188 00:08:54,079 --> 00:08:51,810 in the morning they have a show where 189 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:54,089 they talk about things and they give out 190 00:08:58,250 --> 00:08:55,770 advice and sometimes it's very 191 00:09:01,130 --> 00:08:58,260 scientific then sometimes it's not at 192 00:09:03,650 --> 00:09:01,140 all scientific especially disturbing 193 00:09:08,260 --> 00:09:03,660 when they do give out advice for people 194 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:08,270 with illnesses or psychological problems 195 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:11,850 advice that are really very dangerous to 196 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:14,370 try to follow at home and I think it's 197 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:17,370 especially troubling when they when they 198 00:09:23,569 --> 00:09:19,770 mix good advice with bad advice because 199 00:09:26,329 --> 00:09:23,579 they get some credibility and then they 200 00:09:28,210 --> 00:09:26,339 totally miss uses that so we we gave 201 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:28,220 them that bent spoon award last year 202 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:31,920 that sounds exactly like some of the the 203 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:33,810 programs we have in this country where 204 00:09:39,290 --> 00:09:37,110 in morning television and things like 205 00:09:41,510 --> 00:09:39,300 this they'll have doctors on and people 206 00:09:44,690 --> 00:09:41,520 to talk about science occasionally and 207 00:09:46,819 --> 00:09:44,700 then they'll have psychics on and very 208 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:46,829 very questionable medical advice from 209 00:09:50,090 --> 00:09:48,060 other people without proper 210 00:09:51,740 --> 00:09:50,100 qualifications so yeah it's interesting 211 00:09:54,410 --> 00:09:51,750 how these things are sort of around the 212 00:09:56,449 --> 00:09:54,420 world yeah and it's also interesting how 213 00:09:58,819 --> 00:09:56,459 they react because they were asked about 214 00:10:02,510 --> 00:09:58,829 a month after they got award the award 215 00:10:04,819 --> 00:10:02,520 to say have you now listen to this and 216 00:10:07,550 --> 00:10:04,829 have you adapt and adapted your your 217 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:07,560 message any and and what they 218 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:10,050 why was something like well we always 219 00:10:17,930 --> 00:10:13,620 listen to criticism but we have found no 220 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:17,940 reason to rethink our approach so in my 221 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:20,100 mind it means they listen but they don't 222 00:10:25,130 --> 00:10:23,250 think so I think yeah and also a lot of 223 00:10:27,170 --> 00:10:25,140 people we've discovered in this country 224 00:10:29,780 --> 00:10:27,180 I'm some years ago we gave the bent 225 00:10:33,650 --> 00:10:29,790 spoon to a program on the national 226 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:33,660 broadcaster the ABC national TV in this 227 00:10:37,610 --> 00:10:35,550 country they were running a program and 228 00:10:40,130 --> 00:10:37,620 some of our listeners may remember this 229 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:40,140 called second opinion which is all about 230 00:10:45,950 --> 00:10:42,450 alternative medicine and was giving out 231 00:10:48,260 --> 00:10:45,960 just outrageous advice and basing 232 00:10:50,570 --> 00:10:48,270 stories on nonsense and when they won 233 00:10:53,510 --> 00:10:50,580 the bent spoon award they tried to use 234 00:10:56,210 --> 00:10:53,520 it as publicity saying are the skeptics 235 00:10:59,990 --> 00:10:56,220 gave us this is a tongue-in-cheek this 236 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:00,000 funny award and I it was interesting 237 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:02,130 because it was the award came with a 238 00:11:05,420 --> 00:11:04,110 very powerful message I think that you 239 00:11:07,430 --> 00:11:05,430 know we were very concerned about this 240 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:07,440 so I'm pleased to hear that other groups 241 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:09,330 are giving out these sort of strange 242 00:11:14,060 --> 00:11:12,600 awards and I understand you also do 243 00:11:16,100 --> 00:11:14,070 something that we love to do in 244 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:16,110 Australia you have something like 245 00:11:23,510 --> 00:11:20,190 skeptics in the pub yes we do we we do 246 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:23,520 organized skeptics in the pubs and some 247 00:11:27,530 --> 00:11:26,130 lectures and actually it was to be 248 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:27,540 honest it was the skeptics in the pub 249 00:11:33,050 --> 00:11:29,700 that got me interested in the movement 250 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:33,060 to begin with aha because I listened to 251 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:35,970 a lot of podcasts skeptics own included 252 00:11:40,730 --> 00:11:38,610 and and you would hear things like 253 00:11:44,180 --> 00:11:40,740 Maynard running around that skeptics in 254 00:11:47,180 --> 00:11:44,190 the pub in in Sydney having a good time 255 00:11:49,610 --> 00:11:47,190 and say what can I do that so that was 256 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:49,620 actually my gateway into the the 257 00:11:57,740 --> 00:11:53,730 movement but we do we do that so we have 258 00:12:01,370 --> 00:11:57,750 we have and we have seven local chapters 259 00:12:04,660 --> 00:12:01,380 now of the of the skeptics association 260 00:12:07,370 --> 00:12:04,670 that keep that organises these things 261 00:12:09,650 --> 00:12:07,380 locally and here in the south of Sweden 262 00:12:12,350 --> 00:12:09,660 we have have them regularly in two 263 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:12,360 cities and now we are reaching out to 264 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:15,450 third the city because we think that any 265 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:18,570 every city should should have a skeptics 266 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:21,450 in the pub pub activity but we 267 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:24,090 also have other lectures we are going to 268 00:12:29,870 --> 00:12:27,090 do something about the ignoble prices in 269 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:29,880 Stockholm in about a couple of weeks aha 270 00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:32,880 yes yes very fine yeah yeah and things 271 00:12:39,020 --> 00:12:34,800 like things like that things that are 272 00:12:41,530 --> 00:12:39,030 you know fun and and can can attract 273 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:41,540 people not just the skeptics but also 274 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:45,170 other interested parties of the public 275 00:12:49,940 --> 00:12:47,910 and it's exactly why one of the reasons 276 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:49,950 why we do something like skeptics in the 277 00:12:54,140 --> 00:12:52,470 pub not only is it a great night because 278 00:12:58,700 --> 00:12:54,150 we just meet with friends and anybody 279 00:13:00,410 --> 00:12:58,710 can come along and we think it's a 280 00:13:02,180 --> 00:13:00,420 really really interesting way to 281 00:13:04,070 --> 00:13:02,190 introduce skepticism of people because 282 00:13:06,170 --> 00:13:04,080 you do get people coming along to the 283 00:13:08,270 --> 00:13:06,180 pub who are curious and don't know what 284 00:13:11,950 --> 00:13:08,280 skepticism really is or they think they 285 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:11,960 know and then they often is a 286 00:13:17,810 --> 00:13:14,610 interesting time when people realize 287 00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:17,820 what we're doing or get great benefit 288 00:13:23,330 --> 00:13:19,680 out of it and they completely changed 289 00:13:26,420 --> 00:13:23,340 their mind so it's not just an excuse to 290 00:13:28,820 --> 00:13:26,430 have lots of food and drink really I 291 00:13:31,580 --> 00:13:28,830 think no more serious aspect of skeptics 292 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:31,590 in the pub no actually just last night 293 00:13:36,770 --> 00:13:34,410 we had a skeptics in the pub and we had 294 00:13:40,580 --> 00:13:36,780 a separate room in the back and at one 295 00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:40,590 point during a lecture there was one guy 296 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:43,440 coming in obviously not knowing what we 297 00:13:47,090 --> 00:13:44,850 were all about and said where's the 298 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:47,100 match he was looking for the for the 299 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:49,530 football match and I said well that's 300 00:13:54,410 --> 00:13:51,510 not what we're doing here we're having a 301 00:13:56,990 --> 00:13:54,420 lecture this and that and he said well 302 00:13:59,330 --> 00:13:57,000 ok then that might do just as well and 303 00:14:01,430 --> 00:13:59,340 he went in and sat at the back and he 304 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:01,440 was it paid a lot of attention and I 305 00:14:06,380 --> 00:14:03,450 think maybe we have a new member soon 306 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:06,390 and how often do you have your skeptics 307 00:14:12,110 --> 00:14:09,420 in the pub in Malmo well we have them we 308 00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:12,120 have every month we have a skeptic 309 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:14,880 cinder pub and one we have them in Malmo 310 00:14:19,460 --> 00:14:17,100 every other month and in a city called 311 00:14:21,290 --> 00:14:19,470 learned the other months oh yes I'm just 312 00:14:24,170 --> 00:14:21,300 looking at my map now and I can see Luna 313 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:24,180 it's not very far is it not very far we 314 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:25,890 actually have more members in learned 315 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:29,250 it's it's a it's a university town so we 316 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:31,560 have both academics in in the movement 317 00:14:38,060 --> 00:14:35,450 so so we we try to alternate 318 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:38,070 sounds good to me sounds very good to me 319 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:39,540 is of course skeptics in the pub is 320 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:42,210 international there are many I think 321 00:14:46,370 --> 00:14:43,980 just about any night of the week 322 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:46,380 somewhere in the world you can find a 323 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:47,940 skeptics and above I guess if you're 324 00:14:55,220 --> 00:14:53,490 prepared to travel yes I I would be me 325 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:55,230 too i think i think that's a good idea 326 00:15:00,050 --> 00:14:57,540 and just again for the sake of our 327 00:15:02,690 --> 00:15:00,060 listeners anywhere in the world have a 328 00:15:05,450 --> 00:15:02,700 look in your city or your region there 329 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:05,460 may just might be a skeptics in the pub 330 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:08,370 and its really worthwhile going to yeah 331 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:12,720 and if like me you you want to go but 332 00:15:19,010 --> 00:15:14,610 there's nobody organizing it you can do 333 00:15:21,530 --> 00:15:19,020 it yourself we actually i reached out to 334 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:21,540 on facebook and i got in contact with 335 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:24,330 one other person this is about 45 years 336 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:27,810 ago four years ago and we decided him 337 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:29,310 and me we didn't know each other but we 338 00:15:32,950 --> 00:15:30,930 we had the similar interest and we said 339 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:32,960 we need to get this going in mama and 340 00:15:39,950 --> 00:15:35,880 for six months it was just him and me 341 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:39,960 sitting in a pub I had what didn't give 342 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:43,530 up and we eventually the word word got 343 00:15:48,830 --> 00:15:46,380 around we got you know formally 344 00:15:50,780 --> 00:15:48,840 affiliated with the Swedish skeptics and 345 00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:50,790 now we are about you know sometimes 346 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:52,800 we're 35 people there and it's it's 347 00:15:59,930 --> 00:15:56,930 great it's great fun I'd that's exactly 348 00:16:03,290 --> 00:15:59,940 what you should do and you if I cast my 349 00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:03,300 mind back ah 12 years or 13 years i'm 350 00:16:06,860 --> 00:16:05,580 not sure how many years now when i was 351 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:06,870 kicking off skeptics in the pub in 352 00:16:11,180 --> 00:16:08,670 sydney and i guess some nights would 353 00:16:14,330 --> 00:16:11,190 have five or six people in a room and 354 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,340 then it just grew and grew over the 355 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,320 years and now i'm pleased to say now in 356 00:16:20,540 --> 00:16:18,480 sydney at least we can have so many 357 00:16:23,810 --> 00:16:20,550 people in we can hardly squeeze people 358 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:23,820 into the lecture room we have it's very 359 00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:25,980 heartening and every month there are new 360 00:16:29,660 --> 00:16:28,260 people every month review people coming 361 00:16:33,050 --> 00:16:29,670 along which is which is a really great 362 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:33,060 thing yes yes i agree and it's fun to 363 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:36,330 meet new people that that's that's why I 364 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:39,120 got into it it's the social aspect and 365 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:41,610 of course no I do sympathize with the 366 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:44,130 course that's not only thing but but but 367 00:16:49,129 --> 00:16:47,490 but the social aspect is very important 368 00:16:50,869 --> 00:16:49,139 and I was you know 369 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:50,879 the family was getting tired of hearing 370 00:16:55,939 --> 00:16:53,970 me ranting about the things and I had to 371 00:16:58,249 --> 00:16:55,949 to find somebody else that would listen 372 00:17:01,039 --> 00:16:58,259 and its really really rewarding to do 373 00:17:06,379 --> 00:17:01,049 this now looking passing another I at 374 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:06,389 your website www v ofse I can see you 375 00:17:10,929 --> 00:17:08,250 have a magazine can you tell me 376 00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:10,939 something about that yeah it we have 377 00:17:17,230 --> 00:17:15,000 actually all the ways back since 1980 83 378 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:17,240 we have published a quarterly magazine 379 00:17:24,289 --> 00:17:20,569 where we debate or discuss or or or 380 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:24,299 publish articles about pseudoscience and 381 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:28,230 and also good things like good examples 382 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:30,059 on critical thinking it's a really 383 00:17:36,980 --> 00:17:34,110 worthwhile magazine and all of the art 384 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:36,990 articles eventually get published on the 385 00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:39,720 website so well if you know Swedish you 386 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:41,220 can go in there and read it for free 387 00:17:48,289 --> 00:17:45,480 with some delay well about if you know 388 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:48,299 sweetie of course but the great I'm so 389 00:17:51,409 --> 00:17:49,679 pleased to hear that that's been our 390 00:17:53,870 --> 00:17:51,419 philosophy here in Australia for a long 391 00:17:55,549 --> 00:17:53,880 time is once the magazine's been out for 392 00:17:57,799 --> 00:17:55,559 a year or something like that we'll 393 00:17:59,810 --> 00:17:57,809 we'll put it online so everybody around 394 00:18:01,159 --> 00:17:59,820 the world can enjoy the benefits of the 395 00:18:02,509 --> 00:18:01,169 research and the articles and things 396 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:02,519 like that what's the name of that 397 00:18:08,750 --> 00:18:05,850 magazine in Sweden it's called Falk 398 00:18:12,529 --> 00:18:08,760 ivette which is well it's hard to 399 00:18:15,289 --> 00:18:12,539 translate I guess it's sort of a pun but 400 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:15,299 it also translates into you know common 401 00:18:20,180 --> 00:18:18,090 sense okay okay that's a good name for 402 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:20,190 magazine and on science and reason I 403 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:23,490 think that sounds good to me and also in 404 00:18:26,539 --> 00:18:24,690 Sweden there I think you have the same 405 00:18:30,350 --> 00:18:26,549 sort of philosophy when it comes to 406 00:18:32,149 --> 00:18:30,360 education and educational outreach yes 407 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:32,159 there are a couple of us that are 408 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:35,730 reaching out two stools and so we offer 409 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:39,090 to come and give a lecture present why 410 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:40,769 we think critical thinking is so 411 00:18:46,490 --> 00:18:44,250 important and also we try to mention 412 00:18:49,850 --> 00:18:46,500 that the organization but the thing is 413 00:18:51,860 --> 00:18:49,860 we were not trying to recruit members we 414 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:51,870 are we are there to spread the word 415 00:18:58,279 --> 00:18:55,710 about how easy it is to be deceived how 416 00:19:02,360 --> 00:18:58,289 you have to be aware that everything you 417 00:19:02,930 --> 00:19:02,370 read is not gospel you need to question 418 00:19:06,050 --> 00:19:02,940 what you see 419 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:06,060 II and personally I've been in in the 420 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:09,570 school so this is directed to we have a 421 00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:12,480 mandatory school system to 9th grade and 422 00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:15,660 then you have 33 years which most people 423 00:19:21,530 --> 00:19:18,630 most students go on to and that's where 424 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:21,540 I'm focusing on so they are about 16 17 425 00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:24,350 18 years old and for me personally 426 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:27,360 that's a perfect age to reach out to 427 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:29,850 because they are very very inquisitive 428 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:34,050 they are there are adults in a way but 429 00:19:38,090 --> 00:19:35,910 they don't have a lot of experience and 430 00:19:40,550 --> 00:19:38,100 they're at least in Sweden they are not 431 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:40,560 afraid to question authority so I try to 432 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:43,310 provoke them a little bit and and and 433 00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:46,410 you know question while I'm saying which 434 00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:48,750 is good because I I tell them to 435 00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:51,780 question everything they see and then I 436 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,340 encouraged him to question what I'm 437 00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,160 saying so whether registry with me or 438 00:20:00,410 --> 00:19:57,840 not they're starting to question things 439 00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:00,420 and I think that's a good approach it's 440 00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:02,430 a very good approach I completely agree 441 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:05,070 and again it's sort of mirrors a little 442 00:20:09,470 --> 00:20:06,810 bit of what other groups are doing 443 00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:09,480 around the world I think that is a good 444 00:20:14,660 --> 00:20:11,840 age group in schools because by then 445 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:14,670 there's a lot of interest and wonder 446 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:16,290 about these sort of things and students 447 00:20:23,710 --> 00:20:20,490 are very open we find to discovering 448 00:20:27,770 --> 00:20:23,720 answers like this now i'm also curious 449 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:27,780 to know and i suspect i know what you're 450 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:29,910 going to tell me around the world we 451 00:20:33,620 --> 00:20:32,190 have in just about every country i'm 452 00:20:35,410 --> 00:20:33,630 sure every country we have people who 453 00:20:37,940 --> 00:20:35,420 claim that they can talk with the dead 454 00:20:39,860 --> 00:20:37,950 sighs oh yeah so on I mean I guess 455 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:39,870 Sweden would be just about the same as 456 00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:42,810 anywhere else yes yes there are 457 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:45,360 television shows about them and there 458 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:49,290 are people offering to talk to two 459 00:20:55,660 --> 00:20:53,310 people dead relatives etc and I think 460 00:21:00,440 --> 00:20:55,670 that's very upsetting I think it's very 461 00:21:02,540 --> 00:21:00,450 cynical and even if some of them do it 462 00:21:04,850 --> 00:21:02,550 but we're you know in good faith or 463 00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:04,860 think that they can do it I think they 464 00:21:09,170 --> 00:21:06,750 really should think again because it's 465 00:21:11,950 --> 00:21:09,180 as you usually say it's easy to talk to 466 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:11,960 that it's hard to get a good reply 467 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:14,050 you're right and 468 00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:16,210 it can be pretty tough to sit there 469 00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:18,760 anywhere in the world and have some TV 470 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,500 program come on and somebody who sits in 471 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:22,960 a chair and in an audience or in a TV 472 00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:25,690 studio and say things like oh yes yes 473 00:21:31,620 --> 00:21:29,860 they're telling me now that oh they send 474 00:21:33,390 --> 00:21:31,630 their love and oh I can see a little 475 00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:33,400 girl and she's playing in the garden and 476 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:35,830 I'm sitting at home fuming but it's 477 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:37,930 really tough to to beat the sort of 478 00:21:43,950 --> 00:21:40,690 things and and it works unfortunately it 479 00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:43,960 works all around the world yeah it's an 480 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:46,000 obvious play on people's emotions as 481 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:47,950 well because people who seek this kind 482 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:51,010 of service or whatever you call it they 483 00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,330 they they have a need to to to to grieve 484 00:21:59,970 --> 00:21:57,520 and cetera and you are exploiting that 485 00:22:02,610 --> 00:21:59,980 in a very bad way there i mean i've seen 486 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:02,620 in the swedish television where it ends 487 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:06,370 up with the person crying because the 488 00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:08,170 the the medium is telling you well 489 00:22:12,150 --> 00:22:10,030 that's your grandmother and she's not 490 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:12,160 very happy with what you've done and the 491 00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:14,830 poor person is you know breaking down 492 00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:16,540 and why wouldn't you if you believe that 493 00:22:24,180 --> 00:22:20,080 thing yes and sadly upset sadly when 494 00:22:26,730 --> 00:22:24,190 when that happens the TV producer up 495 00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:26,740 there in the control room or wherever 496 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:28,630 they are watching the shows it's being 497 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:32,370 taped going our great reaction exactly 498 00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:36,130 TP good TV yeah that does is that thing 499 00:22:42,030 --> 00:22:40,270 about it well pontus it's really really 500 00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:42,040 good to make contact with you the 501 00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,680 vaccination chronicles DVD is in the 502 00:22:47,610 --> 00:22:46,240 post as we speak and i'm sure you'll 503 00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:47,620 find that very interesting and I 504 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:50,800 understand you want to help get get that 505 00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,390 out through Sweden which is really good 506 00:22:58,530 --> 00:22:54,400 and I know you're very kind you're going 507 00:23:01,860 --> 00:22:58,540 to help with the Swedish translation of 508 00:23:04,140 --> 00:23:01,870 that devious yes yes I'll do that I 509 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:04,150 think that's a fun little project I've 510 00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,850 actually done similar things in the past 511 00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:09,520 so I know that how to do it and it'll be 512 00:23:15,630 --> 00:23:11,950 fun and I think that may increase the 513 00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:15,640 the reach that we can get I think by the 514 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:17,590 way Richard I think that's an excellent 515 00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:21,340 documentary and I think you know in 10 516 00:23:27,570 --> 00:23:23,470 years you wouldn't be able to do this so 517 00:23:29,940 --> 00:23:27,580 you you're documenting something that a 518 00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:29,950 period in time but people are forgetting 519 00:23:36,930 --> 00:23:33,160 about when when when you had these iron 520 00:23:39,570 --> 00:23:36,940 lungs and when they were be you know you 521 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:39,580 your schoolmate got polio and that you 522 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:41,350 meant you knew that meant you would 523 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:44,170 never see him again yeah and that period 524 00:23:50,850 --> 00:23:48,370 in time is going to be forgotten but not 525 00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:50,860 now because you've done this documentary 526 00:23:53,970 --> 00:23:52,270 so thank you very much for doing that 527 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:53,980 that's very kind of you thank you for 528 00:24:00,450 --> 00:23:56,770 mentioning that it's also important that 529 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:00,460 we don't revisit those times oh yes yes 530 00:24:04,830 --> 00:24:02,770 and there are people out there sadly as 531 00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:04,840 we know who would bring that upon us 532 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:08,740 they would stop vaccinations instantly 533 00:24:13,710 --> 00:24:12,190 and then the results would not be very 534 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:13,720 pleasant indeed would not be pleasant 535 00:24:18,450 --> 00:24:16,270 thank you again for contacting us that 536 00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:18,460 website ladies and gentlemen and 537 00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:21,150 especially if you're in Sweden or in 538 00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:25,620 Denmark or Norway that area of the world 539 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:30,460 WWV ofse check it out you can subscribe 540 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:32,530 to the magazine you can go along to 541 00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:35,110 skeptics in the pub and have a beer with 542 00:24:39,540 --> 00:24:37,000 the sweetie skeptics that sounds pretty 543 00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:39,550 good to me so both us thank you very 544 00:25:04,300 --> 00:24:42,580 much thank you very much Richard oh i 545 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:07,550 hey svenska skeptical the vet valid 546 00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:09,570 vatan scope for billing in the boy to 547 00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:11,700 none hanger of the skeptic zone that an 548 00:25:17,420 --> 00:25:14,670 ox 0 alpha alpha dog pop science quiz of 549 00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:17,430 skeptical Kevin Thomas Valley Queen por 550 00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:20,100 vivir juntos punta safe at spawning 551 00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:22,860 vivoli luger luke alphania hun tamilanda 552 00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:25,800 top gone home to install talent Athene's 553 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:27,990 non-local training button to start I'm 554 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:32,730 12 your Papa made a new hello all 555 00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:35,700 skeptics in Sweden I'm sure you already 556 00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,350 know that the Swedish skeptics 557 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:39,840 Association not only is a big fan of the 558 00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:42,090 skeptic zone but that we also organize 559 00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:44,580 lectures pop science quiz and skeptics 560 00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:48,740 in the pub all over the country go to 561 00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:52,950 WWD ofse to see what our seven local 562 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:55,620 chapters are up to and if you live in a 563 00:26:00,530 --> 00:25:57,330 place where there is no local chapter 564 00:26:08,919 --> 00:26:00,540 why not start on yourself I'm talking to 565 00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:11,600 welcome to a week in science from our 566 00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:14,249 iOS bringing you the science you need to 567 00:26:19,729 --> 00:26:17,100 know shaking with laughter or shaking 568 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,739 with sobs why do we do either and are 569 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:21,840 they polar opposites or two sides of the 570 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:24,690 same coin you'll laugh you'll cry it'll 571 00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:33,470 scientists believe laughter developed as 572 00:26:37,729 --> 00:26:35,700 a way to express relief at a false alarm 573 00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,739 which is also while we laugh when 574 00:26:42,739 --> 00:26:39,779 someone trips but doesn't actually hurt 575 00:26:45,259 --> 00:26:42,749 themselves taken out of context laughter 576 00:26:47,659 --> 00:26:45,269 is pretty strange behavior facial 577 00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:47,669 muscles contract our air intake becomes 578 00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,340 a regular we make repetitive guttural 579 00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:53,279 sounds and our body spasms but these 580 00:26:58,369 --> 00:26:55,799 physiological symptoms all add up to a 581 00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:58,379 good effect laughing releases the 582 00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:00,659 feel-good hormones endorphins and has 583 00:27:05,539 --> 00:27:03,059 heaps of health benefits even being said 584 00:27:08,779 --> 00:27:05,549 to boost your immune system on the other 585 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:08,789 hand we cry to ask for help this starts 586 00:27:13,369 --> 00:27:11,129 instinctively as babies but as early as 587 00:27:16,009 --> 00:27:13,379 10 months old we learn to cry to 588 00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:16,019 manipulate and seek attention we don't 589 00:27:19,629 --> 00:27:17,820 just get help from those around us when 590 00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:19,639 we cry tears flush away 591 00:27:26,869 --> 00:27:21,929 adrenocorticotropic hormone which 592 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:26,879 contribute to stress levels so we laugh 593 00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:28,769 for my happy and cry of and we're sad 594 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:31,470 the two things are opposite right well 595 00:27:35,419 --> 00:27:32,850 there's a little more to it than that 596 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:35,429 both are due to high emotional arousal 597 00:27:39,649 --> 00:27:37,710 and is stressful experiences by 598 00:27:42,379 --> 00:27:39,659 counteracting hormones like cortisol and 599 00:27:45,019 --> 00:27:42,389 adrenaline neither turns on or off 600 00:27:46,820 --> 00:27:45,029 cleanly crying and laughing have 601 00:27:48,979 --> 00:27:46,830 something called strong preservation 602 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:48,989 which is the tendency to keep going once 603 00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:50,730 they've started and they both have 604 00:27:54,889 --> 00:27:53,159 strong social implications as bonding 605 00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:54,899 experiences and for communicating 606 00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,659 emotions and sometimes something is just 607 00:28:03,440 --> 00:27:59,940 hilarious enough that we laugh so hard 608 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:03,450 we cry and now for fast facts about 609 00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:06,770 snickering and sniveling 610 00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:09,920 the study of laughter yep it's a real 611 00:28:15,370 --> 00:28:13,190 thing is called gel atala G our brains 612 00:28:17,170 --> 00:28:15,380 can easily spot fake laughter and 613 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:17,180 differentiate it from the genuine 614 00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:20,690 response reflex tears like from stabbing 615 00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:23,240 a toe or cutting an onion are made up of 616 00:28:28,030 --> 00:28:25,820 about ninety eight percent water whereas 617 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:28,040 emotional tears contain a cocktail of 618 00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:30,770 hormones and chemicals crocodile tears 619 00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,100 are real in humans and reptiles people 620 00:28:38,530 --> 00:28:36,320 can fake tears to elicit sympathy while 621 00:28:41,140 --> 00:28:38,540 Crocs shed a tear to clean and lubricate 622 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:41,150 their eyes that's it for this week in 623 00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:43,610 science for more information on laughing 624 00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:46,420 and crying go to the ri oz website RI 625 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:50,750 aus org a you follow us on twitter at 626 00:28:55,630 --> 00:28:53,330 our iOS and like us on Facebook I'm 627 00:29:09,430 --> 00:28:55,640 Casey Harrigan and we'll catch you next 628 00:29:11,230 --> 00:29:09,440 week on Maynard calm don't owe you there 629 00:29:13,630 --> 00:29:11,240 has been talk that there are some photos 630 00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:13,640 of the Roswell aliens that have surfaced 631 00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:16,460 in the form of slides found in the 632 00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:19,340 bottom of someone's slide draw from the 633 00:29:23,290 --> 00:29:21,230 50s or whatever this is pretty amazing 634 00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:23,300 news have you heard about this Tim yes I 635 00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:24,740 haven't it's quite extraordinary we're 636 00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,470 all abuzz about this it seems to lend a 637 00:29:31,780 --> 00:29:29,840 lot of credibility to the rumors about 638 00:29:33,370 --> 00:29:31,790 Roswell well yeah particularly as the 639 00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:33,380 way it's being announced rather than a 640 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:36,200 press conference a Mexican you ufologist 641 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:38,090 has booked a stadium of 10,000 people 642 00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:40,250 and is charging everyone to go see the 643 00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:43,340 unveiling there he will get a bit rare 644 00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,760 and it's very hard as photographers and 645 00:29:52,210 --> 00:29:49,520 special effects people will know to fake 646 00:29:53,770 --> 00:29:52,220 a slide it's very difficult in fact i'm 647 00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:53,780 thinking of getting mexican you follow 648 00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:55,580 just put on my business card it's the 649 00:30:08,340 --> 00:29:58,850 mexican bed i like hi everybody on Manor 650 00:30:19,410 --> 00:30:12,370 it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi 651 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:24,520 hi everyone this week you may hear some 652 00:30:29,650 --> 00:30:27,170 rainbow lorikeets and Magpies cavorting 653 00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:29,660 outside my window or one of my dogs 654 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:33,070 barking at them apologies in advance I 655 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:35,150 guess it's better than the background 656 00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:38,810 noise of traffic however so this week my 657 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:41,840 report will focus on asthma what the 658 00:30:46,270 --> 00:30:44,450 recommendations are in treating it what 659 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:46,280 alternative treatments there are that 660 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:48,770 claim to help it and if there is any 661 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:51,050 evidence for any of these alternative 662 00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:53,810 treatments firstly some facts about 663 00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,350 asthma asthma is a condition in which 664 00:31:02,740 --> 00:30:59,360 people have sensitive Airways which 665 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:02,750 react to certain triggers resulting in 666 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:05,210 various symptoms which range from mild 667 00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:08,930 to severe and life-threatening the 668 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:11,870 trachea or windpipe branches into the 669 00:31:17,220 --> 00:31:14,230 left and right primary bronchi which 670 00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:17,230 lead into the left and right lungs 671 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:19,400 branching off from the primary bronchi 672 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:21,650 are the secondary and tertiary bronchi 673 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:24,350 which are progressively smaller again 674 00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:26,930 before branching into the bronchioles 675 00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,080 the smallest airway passages the 676 00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:32,960 bronchioles are where asthma effects 677 00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:35,750 people bronchioles range in diameter 678 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:38,030 from about half a millimeter 21 679 00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:40,970 millimeter the smallest bronchioles join 680 00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:43,630 up with little grape-like sacs called 681 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:46,790 alveoli each sack about the size of a 682 00:31:51,670 --> 00:31:49,610 grain of sugar where gas exchange takes 683 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:51,680 place between the airways and the 684 00:31:57,730 --> 00:31:55,130 circulatory system now before you have a 685 00:32:01,660 --> 00:31:57,740 go at my pronunciation I do know that 686 00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:01,670 americans pronounce it l really elderly 687 00:32:08,170 --> 00:32:04,700 or something so apologies american 688 00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:08,180 listeners there are three main factors 689 00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:10,160 that cause the bronchioles to become 690 00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:13,460 narrowed number one the inside lining of 691 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:15,860 the bronchioles becomes red and inflamed 692 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:19,250 number 2 extra mucus may be produced 693 00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:21,290 which can reduce the diameter of the 694 00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:24,350 airways and three muscles that surround 695 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:26,870 the bronchioles start to go into spasm 696 00:32:33,460 --> 00:32:30,290 called bronchospasm which can 697 00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,470 bute to overall bronchoconstriction this 698 00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:35,840 can then lead to coughing shortness of 699 00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,340 breath wheezing and chest tightness one 700 00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:42,080 in ten people in Australia have asthma 701 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:45,260 that's over two million people there are 702 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:46,850 links to both genetics and the 703 00:32:51,790 --> 00:32:49,070 environment which contribute to the 704 00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:51,800 causes of asthma people can have 705 00:32:55,810 --> 00:32:53,720 different triggers for the asthma that 706 00:32:58,660 --> 00:32:55,820 is for different people different things 707 00:33:01,060 --> 00:32:58,670 will cause an asthma attack some common 708 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:01,070 triggers for asthma include cigarette 709 00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,650 smoke and around forty percent of 710 00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:05,600 children under the age of fourteen years 711 00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:08,150 with asthma live with smokers and are 712 00:33:13,420 --> 00:33:10,300 likely to be exposed to secondhand smoke 713 00:33:19,060 --> 00:33:13,430 other common triggers our colds and flu 714 00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:19,070 dust mites mold pollen exercise pets and 715 00:33:25,330 --> 00:33:22,790 even extremes of emotion there is 716 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:25,340 currently no cure for asthma but with 717 00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,650 the right medication or medications it 718 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:30,080 can be well controlled and people can 719 00:33:36,550 --> 00:33:33,770 lead normal active lives if not managed 720 00:33:38,980 --> 00:33:36,560 properly asthma has the potential not 721 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:38,990 only to impact negatively on a person's 722 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:41,210 quality of life it can be life 723 00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:44,720 threatening at the moment more than one 724 00:33:51,310 --> 00:33:47,960 person dies every day in Australia from 725 00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:51,320 asthma for more information about asthma 726 00:33:58,540 --> 00:33:54,680 take a look at asthma Australia org dot 727 00:34:00,250 --> 00:33:58,550 a you now for the legitimate treatments 728 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:00,260 for asthma before I get on to the 729 00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:03,650 alternative unproven treatments asthma 730 00:34:07,390 --> 00:34:05,270 medications are grouped according to 731 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:07,400 their purpose for example there are 732 00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:10,250 their relievers which obviously are 733 00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:12,200 designed to relieve the asthma attack as 734 00:34:16,919 --> 00:34:14,990 it is happening probably the most common 735 00:34:23,169 --> 00:34:16,929 one that people aware of would be 736 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:23,179 ventolin in a blue puffer I hope you 737 00:34:28,930 --> 00:34:25,490 enjoyed that sound effect of my son's 738 00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,940 ventil and puffer from feedback during 739 00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:31,040 my first aid courses many people don't 740 00:34:35,890 --> 00:34:33,230 realize that using the puffer on its own 741 00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:35,900 directly into the mouth only delivers 742 00:34:41,110 --> 00:34:38,390 about one-third of the medicated dose to 743 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:41,120 the bronchioles where it is needed this 744 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:43,130 is why a spacer should always be used in 745 00:34:46,690 --> 00:34:44,270 conjunction with the 746 00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:46,700 it ensures that the majority of the dose 747 00:34:53,139 --> 00:34:50,899 gets to where it is actually needed then 748 00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:53,149 there are the preventer medications that 749 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:54,830 are designed to make the airways less 750 00:35:00,420 --> 00:34:57,650 sensitive over time reducing redness and 751 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:00,430 swelling and helping to dry up mucus 752 00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:03,410 these medications need to be taken every 753 00:35:08,830 --> 00:35:05,630 day and will not work in an emergency 754 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:08,840 situation that is an acute asthma attack 755 00:35:13,930 --> 00:35:11,690 I commonly hear of people discarding 756 00:35:16,330 --> 00:35:13,940 their preventive medications as a result 757 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:16,340 of them not having suffered an asthma 758 00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:19,370 attack for a while not realizing that it 759 00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:21,740 is precisely because of their preventive 760 00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:23,630 medication that they have been 761 00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:27,230 symptom-free there are also medications 762 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:29,630 called symptom controllers that are 763 00:35:34,330 --> 00:35:31,610 taken in conjunction with preventers 764 00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:34,340 then there are combination medications 765 00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:36,350 which combine the symptom controllers 766 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:39,230 with preventers so it can all get a 767 00:35:44,290 --> 00:35:41,450 little bit complicated and it may be a 768 00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:44,300 while from initial diagnosis to finding 769 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:46,700 the right medication or combination of 770 00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:48,530 medications that work for each 771 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:53,300 individual and now to the woo let me 772 00:35:57,820 --> 00:35:55,370 list the ones I've heard of and which 773 00:36:01,150 --> 00:35:57,830 are also listed on the asthma Australia 774 00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,160 website as unproven remedies this is 775 00:36:05,350 --> 00:36:03,200 great for a peak body to address the 776 00:36:07,660 --> 00:36:05,360 alternative treatments out there and to 777 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:07,670 state which ones do and don't have 778 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:11,110 legitimacy the ones that don't 779 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:15,010 acupuncture air ionizers homeopathy 780 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:18,490 vitamin C probiotics bowen therapy 781 00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:22,610 chiropractic osteopathy reflexology 782 00:36:28,540 --> 00:36:25,640 Reiki vibrational therapy cupping and 783 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:28,550 mock moxibustion which I can never 784 00:36:33,790 --> 00:36:31,730 pronounce properly all of the above have 785 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:33,800 no evidence to support their use in the 786 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:36,850 management of acute or chronic asthma 787 00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:39,650 you may have noticed how celebrity chef 788 00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:41,660 pete evans has been saying that his 789 00:36:47,110 --> 00:36:44,420 Paleo diet may help with all manner of 790 00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,120 things including asthma it was both 791 00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,760 surprising and worrying to see recently 792 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,160 the asthma Australia Facebook page 793 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:54,560 appearing to endorse him with one of his 794 00:36:59,140 --> 00:36:56,810 followers providing a testimony 795 00:37:02,170 --> 00:36:59,150 on his page which asthma Australia then 796 00:37:04,330 --> 00:37:02,180 shared when a few people commented that 797 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:04,340 it may not be appropriate to appear to 798 00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:07,010 endorse his claims asthma Australia 799 00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,380 posted on Pete Evans Facebook page that 800 00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,920 they do not promote any specific diet as 801 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:14,960 beneficial for managing asthma their 802 00:37:19,660 --> 00:37:17,450 comment as stated by them was promptly 803 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:19,670 deleted from his page just minutes after 804 00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:23,690 they posted it the reasons it may not be 805 00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:26,120 a good idea for a respected asthma 806 00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:28,040 organization to align themselves with 807 00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:31,190 this particular celebrity firstly 808 00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:33,140 because his claims for paleo helping 809 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:36,560 asthma unproven secondly there is a risk 810 00:37:41,230 --> 00:37:38,570 that people reading testimonials if the 811 00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:41,240 Paleo diet may stop their prescribed 812 00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:44,120 medications in favor of his diet thus 813 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:46,550 putting them at a very real risk of 814 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:49,610 illness and thirdly Pete Evans has 815 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:52,090 insinuated he is dubious about 816 00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:54,650 vaccinations and asthmatics are 817 00:37:59,410 --> 00:37:57,110 recommended to have a yearly influenza 818 00:38:02,770 --> 00:37:59,420 vaccine as they are in a higher risk 819 00:38:05,590 --> 00:38:02,780 category for complications for influenza 820 00:38:07,870 --> 00:38:05,600 in fact asthma is the most common 821 00:38:11,010 --> 00:38:07,880 underlying medical condition of those 822 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:11,020 who are hospitalized with the flu a 823 00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,970 common myth is that ingesting milk will 824 00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:15,920 increase mucus production and should 825 00:38:20,140 --> 00:38:17,870 therefore be avoided for people with 826 00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:20,150 asthma and other respiratory conditions 827 00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,390 this is false unless the person 828 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:26,000 specifically has a dairy intolerance or 829 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:28,850 allergy which can cause respiratory 830 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:32,930 tract symptoms so are there any 831 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:35,210 alternative therapies for asthma that do 832 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:38,810 work firstly breathing exercises in 833 00:38:44,290 --> 00:38:41,810 people who suffer from mild asthma some 834 00:38:46,210 --> 00:38:44,300 research suggests that certain breathing 835 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:46,220 exercises may have a beneficial effect 836 00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:48,470 on long-term management of asthma and 837 00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:51,710 perhaps in the case of acute asthma 838 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:54,590 episodes results vary depending on the 839 00:39:00,090 --> 00:38:57,530 type of breathing exercises used and the 840 00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,100 severity of the person's asthma 841 00:39:05,050 --> 00:39:02,960 breathing exercises are not recommended 842 00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:05,060 as a substitute for using reliever 843 00:39:10,210 --> 00:39:08,150 medication when required a GP or 844 00:39:12,490 --> 00:39:10,220 specialist should be consulted a 845 00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:12,500 out which specific breathing exercises 846 00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:16,790 may help the Asthma Foundation states 847 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:18,950 that there is some evidence that various 848 00:39:23,530 --> 00:39:21,290 herbs can improve asthma symptoms but 849 00:39:26,890 --> 00:39:23,540 that the benefits of using herbal 850 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:26,900 medicine are quote much less than those 851 00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:29,690 you can gain from the lowest dose of an 852 00:39:34,690 --> 00:39:32,060 inhaled corticosteroid preventive 853 00:39:36,730 --> 00:39:34,700 medication the main problems with herbal 854 00:39:39,970 --> 00:39:36,740 medicines are a lack of standardization 855 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:39,980 of the contents and dose and the risk of 856 00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:43,910 side effects end quote checking with a 857 00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:46,580 doctor prior to taking any herbs is very 858 00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,430 important some are contraindicated for 859 00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:51,680 use for example during pregnancy and 860 00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:53,660 some may interfere with other 861 00:39:59,770 --> 00:39:56,950 medications that the patient is on 862 00:40:02,170 --> 00:39:59,780 massage there is some evidence that it 863 00:40:05,050 --> 00:40:02,180 may reduce the need of reliever use in 864 00:40:08,050 --> 00:40:05,060 children keeping in mind that massage 865 00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,060 aids in relaxation and that one trigger 866 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:10,160 for asthma is stress this is 867 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:13,130 unsurprising it is however important to 868 00:40:17,140 --> 00:40:15,290 ensure that whatever oils the massage 869 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:17,150 therapist is using will not in 870 00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:20,290 themselves be a trigger for the asthma 871 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:23,030 magnesium supplementation has had some 872 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:24,890 positive effects on asthma symptoms 873 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:28,250 again only advisable after consultation 874 00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:31,490 with the treating physician folic acid 875 00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:34,550 recent research has shown that taking 876 00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:36,920 high-dose folic acid supplements 877 00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,630 throughout the entire duration of 878 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:41,119 pregnancy increase the risk of having a 879 00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:42,890 child with asthma by about thirty 880 00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:47,270 percent this did not include low-dose 881 00:40:52,839 --> 00:40:49,790 folic acid from natural sources such as 882 00:40:55,329 --> 00:40:52,849 green leafy vegetables and it is still 883 00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:55,339 important for women to take folic acid 884 00:40:59,920 --> 00:40:58,130 for the first 16 weeks of pregnancy to 885 00:41:04,300 --> 00:40:59,930 reduce the chances of neural tube 886 00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:04,310 defects in the developing fetus I have a 887 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:05,990 friend who grew up here in the northern 888 00:41:11,290 --> 00:41:08,690 rivers area with asthma and her parents 889 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:11,300 that refused conventional treatment for 890 00:41:16,839 --> 00:41:13,570 it opting instead for many and various 891 00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:16,849 alternative treatments this friend has 892 00:41:21,970 --> 00:41:19,400 distressing memories of months and years 893 00:41:23,740 --> 00:41:21,980 on end of being anxious and distressed 894 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:23,750 with shortness of breath and 895 00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:26,450 wheezing and is quite cross to say the 896 00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,180 least at what she need lessly endured 897 00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:32,000 she now takes conventional medication 898 00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:36,400 for it and lives a full active life and 899 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:39,710 one more anecdote which also serves to 900 00:41:45,130 --> 00:41:42,410 illustrate the misplaced beliefs of many 901 00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:45,140 in this alternative capital of Australia 902 00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:47,750 I was teaching a course one night to a 903 00:41:52,570 --> 00:41:50,510 group of preschool educators the course 904 00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:52,580 was the nationally recognized and 905 00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:55,070 accredited emergency management of 906 00:42:00,370 --> 00:41:58,640 asthma in the workplace as I rounded up 907 00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:00,380 my talk about how potentially dangerous 908 00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:03,140 asthma can be and how children in 909 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:05,480 particular can deteriorate quite quickly 910 00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:08,470 I was asked if there were any natural 911 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,030 alternatives for treating an acute 912 00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:13,520 asthma attack apart from the prescribed 913 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:18,110 relievers my answer the natural 914 00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:21,770 alternative can be death do not stuff 915 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:23,870 around with asthma attacks in children 916 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:26,330 please give them the prescribed 917 00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:28,970 medication and call an ambulance if the 918 00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:33,140 symptoms do not subside stunned silence 919 00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:37,660 but they did seem to accept that answer 920 00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:40,460 that's all from me for now the take-home 921 00:42:45,730 --> 00:42:43,220 message is that asthma has the potential 922 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:45,740 to be life-threatening if in doubt or 923 00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,410 the person's medication does not appear 924 00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:50,800 to be helping call for an ambulance and 925 00:42:55,450 --> 00:42:53,390 continue to follow the person's asthma 926 00:42:58,300 --> 00:42:55,460 action plan whilst waiting for medical 927 00:43:00,880 --> 00:42:58,310 help to arrive if you'd like to learn 928 00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:00,890 more about the courses I run head over 929 00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:03,710 to my website at accredited first-aid 930 00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:08,180 dot com au I have also started a blog 931 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:10,790 over there on various first aid and 932 00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,250 health-related issues and we'll be 933 00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:15,920 putting a blog friendly version of my 934 00:43:33,930 --> 00:43:18,340 first-aid skeptical reports there 935 00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:33,940 thank you bye for now this is yawn and 936 00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:36,310 laura from sapphic severe The Skeptical 937 00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:38,740 podcast for hebrew speakers come listen 938 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:40,750 to all things and holy in the holy 939 00:43:57,490 --> 00:43:47,050 language at WWF a gol is muhammad asif 940 00:44:01,240 --> 00:43:59,380 well thank you for listening to the 941 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:01,250 skeptic zone and thank you may nod and 942 00:44:05,650 --> 00:44:03,290 thank you joe alabaster for being here 943 00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:05,660 tonight for the skeptics dinner meeting 944 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:07,880 what a great talk it was dr. Brad what a 945 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:09,530 guy look this was the embarrassing 946 00:44:12,810 --> 00:44:10,970 bodies talk he did at skeptics at the 947 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:12,820 pub a few months ago but this was the 948 00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:15,530 unexpurgated special adult version and 949 00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:17,150 let me tell you some of those cupping 950 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:19,070 photos are pretty raunchy aren't they 951 00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:21,530 they're very adult yes they're very 952 00:44:26,260 --> 00:44:24,110 scary very embarrassing i might say but 953 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:26,270 yes coming up next week on the show as 954 00:44:29,380 --> 00:44:27,770 we mentioned at the top of the show Joe 955 00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:29,390 alabaster special report on world 956 00:44:32,860 --> 00:44:30,680 homeopathy week and Joe congratulations 957 00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,870 for being with the skeptic zone for a 958 00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,880 year that's fantastic think it's been an 959 00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:36,560 absolute pleasure and I'd like to say a 960 00:44:40,090 --> 00:44:38,120 quick thank you to everybody who's 961 00:44:41,650 --> 00:44:40,100 actually been me feedback on my reports 962 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:41,660 but really appreciated it and I'm very 963 00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:43,730 glad that you find them entertaining and 964 00:44:47,110 --> 00:44:45,860 or informative look and don't be scared 965 00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:47,120 to give us feedback because one other 966 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:48,950 thing about podcast is that people tend 967 00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:50,810 to enjoy them silently and sometimes not 968 00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:52,670 give feedback so you know please let us 969 00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:54,350 know all about it if you like it and if 970 00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:57,080 you don't just shut up we're good advice 971 00:45:02,890 --> 00:44:59,570 main yes please leave your feedback I've 972 00:45:05,110 --> 00:45:02,900 come to skeptics on TV you can see our 973 00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:05,120 contact details there's a shop there all 974 00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,550 sorts of things and yeah get in touch a 975 00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:09,920 book page facebook page and twitter of 976 00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,740 course young all right well for this 977 00:45:17,650 --> 00:45:14,960 week anyway this is a jl abasa thank you 978 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:17,660 Joe thank you Richard may not thank you 979 00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:19,130 may not want to go back in there and see 980 00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:21,470 if I can get to the Third's had Richard 981 00:45:29,850 --> 00:45:23,180 Saunders signing off from Sydney 982 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:32,290 you've been listening to the skeptics 983 00:45:38,980 --> 00:45:36,050 own podcast visit our website at wwc a 984 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:38,990 petting zoo TV for contacts and archive 985 00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:42,410 of all episodes since 2008 and our 986 00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:45,110 online store please support the skeptic 987 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:47,020 zone by following us on twitter at 988 00:45:53,830 --> 00:45:50,210 skeptic zone liking us on facebook and 989 00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,840 leaving a review on iTunes you can also 990 00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:56,000 show your support by subscribing via 991 00:46:01,960 --> 00:45:59,170 paypal for as little as 99 cents a week 992 00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:01,970 the skeptic zone is an independent 993 00:46:06,010 --> 00:46:03,590 production the views and opinions 994 00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:06,020 expressed on the skeptic zone and not 995 00:46:10,510 --> 00:46:07,640 necessarily those of Australian 996 00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:10,520 skeptically or any other skeptical 997 00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:22,109 results vary depending on the type of 998 00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:24,430 breathing exercises used and the 999 00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:29,200 severity of the person's asthma results 1000 00:46:36,690 --> 00:46:31,240 vary depending on the type of breathing